Talk:Pizza Tower

Highly Important Editor's Notes

This page was created by Wazameo, and major contributions were made by Trash_Bandatcoot.

We'll start with the basic stuff (such as the bob and prototype articles), and we can work from there.

Pizza Tower is a game with multiple demos and therefore has lots of unused content. But the pages also have other problems that need addressing.

First of all: Some content featured on these pages doesn't appear in the game data. An example is the song "Toxic Rave", as it was never put in the game. Therefore, make a separate page for things like early footage PTG posted, early music, or samples posted by the composers on Discord, Soundcloud and Bandcamp. Maybe we can write up a full development timeline, considering how much info about this game is available, from obscure sources to stuff posted in Thing of the Week.

Second of all: The content featured on the main page is from a much older demo. From what I've understood, Pizza Tower Guy's stopped releasing public demos, but I'm not sure. What we have here is a mismatch of Demo 1, 2 and SAGE content. Give the demos with unused content separate pages, and leave this page empty until the game releases.

Lastly: Don't post download links to any mods that let you access unused content. If you want to do this and think it's necessary, please post a video showing the unused content and put a download link to the mod in the description, not on TCRF to keep things more in-line with other articles.

As for Patreon builds, I think we need to create a sub-sub page for those since there's been lots of Patreon builds released. But that's still up for debate since the game yet has to finish development.

With that being said, I hope you understand that this page is a mess and some big changes need to happen before a moderator steps in.
Thank you for reading and have a great day.

(Strike-throughs are things that have either been done or confirmed.)

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by CounterDiving (talk • contribs)

Playable fake peppino

According to the wiki, you can actually PLAY as fake peppino! Busybody64 (talk) 15:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

splash.png

There's a mysterious image in the game files called splash.png, which shows a pizza type restaurant that's in Chicago.

It might've been used for the splash screen of some sort?

MarioGuyWasTaken (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Unused/Leftover Enemy Behaviors Page?

I know this goes against what the first topic says about mods accessing unused content, but I found that several enemies & objects have leftover behaviors from various proto builds when I was using a level editor mod (like the Grandpa Pepper enemy being defeated by the knight transformation, which is leftover from the builds where the Mansion level was present, and the Toppin Monsters roaming around freely from the then Kids Party level.) I want to know if it's okay to create a page about leftover enemy behaviors as I find this specific topic very interesting to cover. -Tresdor34 (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Missing content. Lots of it.

This page is huge, but lots of stuff is missing from it. I feel like to add on, use the Pizza Tower Wiki to help. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by LukeMSonic (talk • contribs)

the noise is gonna be playable at some point.

so wasn't there a trailer where the noise will be playable so don't we gotta remove him once he gets added or say this was is "old move set" - gggoldgamer Gggoldgamer (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Noise palletes

How would I add The noises palettes, would be as a direct subpage or in unused sprites or what? (I haven't made any major edits yet so idk) --Werdi (talk) 13:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

If you kept any release build v1.0.311 or older, you could perhaps include The Noise's old color palettes onto the revision sub-page and compare them to how they are in the current build. Notably, The Noise's color palette when selecting a patterned clothing was previously broken, as it made The Noise appear mostly invisible besides any re-used Peppino sprites and the whites of everything else (The patterned clothes on The Noise have been fixed in the Halloween update).

Nunof Yerbizness (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

The megaleak situation

So i saw a video of welp pizza tower related and non related stuff and i wanna know if this is true because it shows 2 new games and a playable mr stick. Gggoldgamer (talk) 22:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

The being-true-itude of the PT Megaleak isn't off the table, however I'd say hold off on putting anything related to it anywhere on the site (pre-release pages, etc) without concrete proof that it is real (Which, I highly believe it is.) Also, the leaked early music was not to be put on the Altered Music and Samples page, so even if it is real, I'd hold off on covering it in the base Pre-release page regardless. You know, be thoughtful, think about Tour de Pizza's feelings. (Though, I know for sure that the PT Community ain't against just randomly spreading leaks around like it's candy, grumble grumble...) Dg125 (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

ok but at the same time it looks like a bit to real to be fanmade but you are right so ima add nothing or change nothing in case this is fake. Gggoldgamer (talk) 06:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Its out

The noise update is here so what do we do with noise thats in the unused character section. Gggoldgamer (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Comics and sketches

There are SO many sketches and some comics that were made during the game's development... perhaps maybe those could be added? I mean I created the page for it in the prototype subpage so maybe that needs a lot, and i mean a LOT of work to be done --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wrong link, lol. You meant to link to the prerelease subpage. But, yeah, I understand needing to like, put all those concept sketches and shit SOMEWHERE. KurosurinTomasu (talk) 23:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah my mistake lol but thanks 4 correcting me --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 00:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding all (or most) of the unused stuff

One thing i noticed while digging around the data.win of the game (using UndertaleModTool) is that there's WAY more stuff than is documented, like unused tilesets, backgrounds, text strings, that kinda stuff and many more. This kinda stuff should be added, and even if we do have that stuff on here, there isn't enough mentioned. i think it's important to have all, or at the very least most, of the things here. anyhow that's just how i feel about what should be done --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that's kinda the point of this site. I've found a ton of unused content through a decomp over the past few months but haven't done much due to the sheer amount of unused stuff + needing to check older builds to see if things are used or in the files there. Sometime this summer I'll get a second decomp (modded my current one a ton + don't really like UTMT) and start getting to work on documenting this stuff. --namespace (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I know what you mean, im just saying more stuff should be documented, that's all --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Early test build leftovers is incomplete — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billthecat321 (talk • contribs)

Early test build leftovers is incomplete

There is no images or stuff that present the leftovers from early test build

And it’s new — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billthecat321 (talk • contribs)

Wow, that's... super low quality. Maybe actually put effort into the page before publishing your edits next time? Or, better yet, READ THE EDITING GUIDELINES BEFORE EVEN MAKING A SINGLE EDIT?! -- KurosurinTomasu (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

There were more recent edits done. They were... not of the best quality. I don't want to assume that you're a child, but... -- KurosurinTomasu (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Games before release

Hey, so we know there's Pizza Massacre, Pizza Crawler, Weenie Cop, all that stuff. Should there be a subpage on the pre-release page that goes more in-depth about these games or is that not allowed? just askin' --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds reasonable. It should be noted that Weenie Cop did have a playable build released in 2020, so it probably should have articles of its own (but still mentioned on the PT prerelease in some compacity). I have gotten a start to a skeleton for an article here on my sandbox, so if you want to expand it/move it, go right ahead. --Mantis (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Aw sweet! Thanks a whole bunch. --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Move the development timeline, perhaps?

Its me again... so i noticed the New Super Mario Bros page has its own subpage dedicated to its development history (or development info, as named on the page). I was wondering if I could move the dev. history on the pre-release page into its own subpage or if it would be unacceptable and would need to stay there. --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

The timeline is fine as it is on the prerelease page. No need to move it. --Mantis (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok then, just curious. --Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 22:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Something I found in data.win of the game

Well I was researching in data.win checking some stuff out well when I went to check out strings I found two objects that aren’t present but their strings are left over here’s what I found. obj_noise_pushbutton obj_noisecrusher Well I know the sprites and objects associated for them were removed all except their strings. their sprites and object still existed in one of the demos until the eggplant build — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Billthecat321 (talk • contribs)

Okay, lemme just say it.

1.) obj_noise_pushbutton was used from Early Test Build to Demo 2 to start Pizza Time. The Noise would waddle on screen, push the button, and the escape sequence would begin.

2.) obj_noisecrusher was an unused boss that was first seen in the March 2019 Patreon Build, originally situated in boss_room1. There's more info about it on the Pizza Tower wiki.

Hope that clears up some confusion! KurosurinTomasu (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

About "leftover pages"

This is a much more spur of the moment, no-thoughts-head-empty topic, but I had a thought about the leftover pages. Like, earlier, there was the spr_googlyeyes thing from ETB that I moved directly to the Proto/ETB page?

Would it make more sense to put "leftovers" that were actually used in builds like ETB, Desert, etc. into the mainspace leftovers page, and keep things that were unused in those builds, yet are still in the final game, in the Proto pages? KurosurinTomasu (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Though, now that I think about it, it'd be very very situational, like the obj_noisetrap_rock was never actually used in any builds (aside from a few indev videos,) and was probably added in the 2019 Desert build, but Oh there it is on the main Unused objects page. Still think what I'm thinking is an interesting idea. KurosurinTomasu (talk) 19:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Well I could move it to desert build leftovers

Billthecat321 (talk - Please remember to use "~~~~" to sign instead of manually signing every talk page edit you do.)

Do you not understand what I meant, William? What I am saying is objects like obj_noisetrap_rock were never used in the builds that they were "introduced" in, and thus don't really fit in the main leftovers page, and would probably fit better in an unused objects section in the prototype subpage instead. Of course, that would mean that the main page's unused objects/leftovers pages would become shorter, but objects that WERE used in the builds they were introduced in, yet were never used in the final game could go into a leftovers subpage.

Do you understand it now? Or was this explanation too complex? KurosurinTomasu (talk) 19:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

About the hitboxes...

The main page's todo says "hitboxes" and I was thinking of starting that page off. But I have one question before I begin: How exactly would I add that? Would there be a sub-subpage on the unused sprites subpage? Would it be its own subpage on the main page? I'd like to know, thank you! --"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Aren't they tied to objects? If so I think it should be under Unused Objects, else I think under Sprites. Also hey good job on the Peppino graphics subpage :^) OverFloyd ^{Inbox 📩} 11:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Huh, I never thought about that. Maybe it should also have its own subpage too for good measure. Also thanks! I worked pretty hard on it so I appreciate someone noticing my effort ;) --"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 14:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeh I meant something like Pizza Tower/Unused Objects/Hitboxes. OverFloyd ^{Inbox 📩} 00:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

About the subpages...

I've noticed that there are quite the amount of subpage links on the main page, ranging from the main stuff to the build-specific leftovers. As it is now, the subpage list doesn't even fit on my 1080p monitor in fullscreen. Might fit on a 4K display, but I digress.

So, I propose we do a bit of subpage moving. Not like, merging every build-specific leftover subpage into one- that'd just make that hypothetical page way too long. I mean like, move the subpage links into a sort of a subpage subpage, if that makes sense. If it doesn't, here is a mockup of what I mean. (This goes offsite, just because I didn't wanna upload it to the TCRF site. I hope that's okay!)

I think that this idea may greatly shorten the mainspace page length significantly, though I'm also wary that it may complicate things to have subpages nested inside subpages. I'm not sure! What do y'all think? --KurosurinTomasu (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe first make a draft on your userpage and see how it looks. This would be a fairly drastic change for the article so it might be a good idea to see how it looks in practice before going ahead with it. --Mantis (talk) 00:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'll see what I can do. --KurosurinTomasu (talk) 01:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I made a sandbox page. I put the "build-specific leftover" subpage links into their own subpage (they're all red-links which is fine for my little mockup). What do you think? Is it alright? Or does it just ruin the structuring of the page? --KurosurinTomasu (talk) 02:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks excellent! The only gripe I would have is that not everything needs a sub-page there. They really should be used for fairly lengthy amount of build leftovers and not like a single leftover. Besides that, pretty good. --Mantis (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd move Unused Backgrounds and Tilesets into Unused Graphics, since we recently changed the title for that last one. I was going to do that myself but this discussion popped up :^) OverFloyd ^{Inbox 📩} 09:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

This idea is honestly pretty great, though i'll miss the old format... I do understand the organization though :) --"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 16:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Mantis, you said that "not everything needs a sub-page there." The only reason they're all there is because of... y'know, they're on the main page. Probably due to that one user. Not naming names.

And elsewise, thanks! I'll see what I can do about mainspacing my idea. --KurosurinTomasu (talk) 17:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Are there any bugs in the latest update?

Now that updates and development for the game have stopped, I was thinking of creating a namespace page documenting some bugs the player may encounter. Are there any bugs that haven't been patched or is this irrelavent? --"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 03:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

"Changes in level design" page?

I have an idea: A page dedicated to showing the changes in levels. Maybe it could be a subpage in the unused rooms subpage. What do you guys think?--"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 00:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't that fit more on the Prototype pages? I don't even know, the entire Pizza Tower page feels so much more different to other TCRF pages, what with placing sprites removed from the game or replaced outright on the mainspace pages instead of like, the prototype pages, so it's a possibility that it might work. --KurosurinTomasu (talk) 01:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, now that you say it, it WOULD fit on the prototype page. As for your statement of "the entire Pizza Tower page feels so much more different to other TCRF pages", I honestly think it standing out from the rest actually fits the game, seeing as how there's so much content and the game's nature in itself is crazy and wacky, but im not sure what im talking about lol. Anyways TL;DR I think the uniqueness makes it more interesting and somewhat fun to read.--"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 02:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, the page's large size doesn't make it stand out and instead makes it overorganized. We should really try to reduce the amount of subpages here because we're almost at 100. -TheManPerson (talk) 16:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

You have a good point. Also, i had no idea overorganizing was a thing! Anyhow reducing the subpages sounds like a good idea, go right on ahead!--"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 17:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Creating subpages, imho, should be done if there's loads of material worth a subpage. Like we did for Unused Graphics for example, see for Peps, Noise etc... that one for unused characters wasn't necessary imho, it's just like 5 things and that's it. OverFloyd ^{Inbox 📩} 18:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

True,I can definitely understand that.--"It's a Goldenpizzapizza thing to do." -Goldenpizzapizza (talk) 18:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Should the Mr. Stick Leaks be Covered?

Everyone seeing this has probably heard, but around early December last year (I don't remember exactly when but it was at least before December 10th since I found a Reddit post about them being banned from the Pizza Tower subreddit), footage and images were leaked for post-release Pizza Tower content and new games. A lot of people have argued over whether they're real or not, and it didn't help that playtesters were saying they were fake, in the case of the Stick leaks saying it was a mod and in the case of the other games saying they were fangames, but I've found stuff both in the game and in the leaks that's convinced me they're real. I've compiled the reasons I believe it on my userpage for the sake of not taking up too much space here.

However, even if you are convinced it's now a matter of if they should be covered, at least for now. It has been a year since the leaks, but it's unreleased content that was uploaded without permission, and got to the developers enough that they tried to cover it all up. Personally I think that the Pizza Tower-related stuff is fine since the game's development is over with no more currently planned post-release content, and McPig even referenced the expectations for the Mr. Stick update when he revealed Woon, but I'd like to see what others think first. The other stuff can be covered on those those games' respective pages if they come out. --LuigiIsCanonicallyTheAntiChrist (talk) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

No other opinions? If not, I'm probably just gonna do it. I've been itching to document this stuff ever since I did that research on it, and I've just found another connection to the leaks in the final game's files (an unused function called scr_piggyblock_destroy). --LuigiIsCanonicallyTheAntiChrist (talk) 08:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

If the "leaks" are backed up by actual assets and code (which we already established there's leftovers in the files), I say it's fine, as long as we keep a neutral tone as no one knows for certain if they were real leaks or not. OverFloyd ^{Inbox 📩} 17:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)