Talk:Super Mario All-Stars (SNES)

Debug Mode

I seem to remember there still being a debug mode in this. I know there's the one that still exists for SMB3, especially on the earlier copies, but I seem to remember coming across a code that activated it for all the games. I specifically remember there being an option or two for SMB2, but I can't remember. I don't recall what options there were for SMB1 and The Lost Levels though. -- Rick 20:11, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

IIRC, there is a global debug flag in SRAM (yes, the battery-backed RAM on the cart) that enables it for all the games. I'll have to find it again. It did let you do some neat stuff in a couple of the games, like freely move around the screen in SMB1/LL. --BMF54123 01:43, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

I thought it was there. I remember accessing it with a Game Genie code somehow, but I lost the code. -- Rick 01:58, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Done and done. I could've sworn there was another debugging flag that activated a few other things, but I'm probably thinking of some other game. :\

Important discovery: the "old-school" debug mode for SMB3 still works, and is activated by writing 80 to $7E0160--an uninitialized part of the stack. The original NES game sets this to 00 when you start the game, but SMAS does not do this! Theoretically, given the unpredictable state of RAM when the console is powered on, one could get lucky and wind up with a value of 80 at that address, thus enabling debug mode. Could it be that early cartridge revisions are not to blame, but rather individual SNES units? :o --BMF54123 04:41, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Doesn't the SNES clear RAM to 55 when powered on, or is that just something dumb emulators do? HyperHacker 04:58, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

I believe that's just a "universal" value that emulator authors settled on because it worked with the most games. The SNES does not do anything to RAM at startup; that's what initialization routines in games are for. --BMF54123 05:10, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Reading that again, there is a flag in SRAM that activates debug mode... were cartridges' SRAMs initialized coming off the assembly line? As far as I know, they weren't (hence checksums), so these "early revisions" could simply have gotten lucky with that flag. For that matter, if they were initialized, then probably the only difference between the early and later revisions is their initial SRAM content (no ROM differences at all). HyperHacker 00:53, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

It doesn't matter, because the SRAM flag is always set to 00 in the game's init code. Besides, this flag has nothing to do with the original SMB3 debug mode, which I'm pretty sure everyone with an "early revision" was specifically referring to (press Select to change suits). None of them ever mentioned seeing weird features in any of the other games. --BMF54123 01:02, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Although this is a very old topic, I was wondering if the SRAM thing has been confirmed for SMB3. I used to have a copy of Super Mario All-Star that occasionally would allow me to cycle through the power ups by pressing select. This did not work all the time I have only had it happen 2-3 times ever, but I have not seen much on why it happened. I have heard early releases had debug accessible, but I was never able to do it at will as some claimed was possible. Ledah 01:08, 6 February 2013 (EST)

There is no "SRAM thing" for SMB3, and it has nothing to do with how old your cartridge is. The game (and only this game) reads its debug flag from the stack area of work RAM, which is left uninitialized by the game. If this area happens to contain $80 after the console is powered on, debug features will be activated. This bug is present in all versions of SMAS, and is entirely dependent on your SNES (some consoles are more prone to setting this value than others). --BMF54123 13:40, 6 February 2013 (EST)

Thank you for the answer. I apologize for my ignorance on the "SRAM thing" I thought from the previous posts it had something to do with SRAM. I am a layman so my basic understanding is that there is a chance when you power on your console that you will have access to the debug in SMB3, and that some consoles are more likely than others. If I have a different SNES than the one it used to happen on could I theoretically keep powering it on and off to reproduce the effect? Would this be possible on the Wii version of the game? Also sorry if I am posting this in the wrong area. Ledah 14:09, 6 February 2013 (EST)

I wouldn't bother trying to force it to happen on a real SNES; you'll probably wear out the power switch before you see any results. Just use a Game Genie. :P

It's not possible to activate debug mode in the Wii version because it is emulated, and (most) emulators initialize the emulated RAM to a predefined value. You could probably still activate it with some kind of cheating tool, though, if you knew what to look for. --BMF54123 14:27, 6 February 2013 (EST)

Misc Gfx

Incoming wall of moonspeak! These were all taken from the US ROM, since I figured any leftover Japanese in there was either unused, or didn't need to be overwritten (i.e. an English font already existed). That's how I found the unused text in SMB3, after all. :)

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  ＢＧカキカエ　エリア　"BGkakikae eria" (BG transfer area): used to mark areas which will be overwritten with animated background tiles from ROM

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  purple: プレイヤー "pureiyaa" (player), orange: 「パワ床」 ("PAWA yuka")、「スイショウ」 ("SUISHŌ")、「フラスコ」 ("FURASUKO")　— POW floor (see Wikipedia, missing Chōon パワー床), crystal, flask.

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  ピーチ "piichi" (Peach), クッパ　"kuppa" (Koopa), ロワルド　"rowarudo", ノキオブ "nokiobu", １リボゴ "1 ribogo" One Ribogo, which seems to be a kind of ribbon with a strap that you can wear on your head. (see here and here although there is even a poll on the first site that states 67% of the visitors haven't heard the word before) (probably a partial font, the rest is gibberish): used in the letters that appear between worlds?

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  (just a font)

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  Syllables that can form セーブして、つづける, おわる、おわない、またもうやめ — Save, Continue, Quit, Don't quit, Take a break (?).

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  Mario, Luigi

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  プレイヤー "pureiyaa" (player): overwritten with player graphics in-game?

Used in Super Mario Kart, but otherwise unused.

updated: --Tauwasser 09:22, 6 September 2010 (EDT) original: --BMF54123 05:25, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

After looking through the Japanese game, here's what I found.

• The characters in the Japanese3a and Japanese4 pictures are used for the font of Super Mario Bros. 3. Japanese 3a is used for the Princess Peach letters.
• The first three words of Japanese5 are used for the pause menu screen. However, またもうやめ is not used at all! So that's something.

Everything else that seems unused is. I'm pretty sure the ---BG--- is used as a marker too. --GoldS 11:31, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Misc. Button Combos

There are more button combinations. I recall some involving the D-pad (maybe with select and/or on controller 2) that would set the timer to various values in at least SMB1. HyperHacker 00:53, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Anti-piracy

There are still more anti-piracy messages, and a few methods on how to access them. All you need is a PAR MK3 to access them the easy way. Nensondubois 21:44, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

More? Damn, there must be a lot. You also have to take into consideration the differing messages. If there are 2 anti-piracy messages per game and region, that's at least 4. How do you access them, exactly? SGR

"Unused" features

Sorry, nensondubois. That "unused feature" that changes the ground blue or yellow is just a glitch caused by moving the pause menu pointer out of bounds. The same code is called during the bonus game when you match two symbols; the three windows flash blue and yellow and a drum roll plays. --BMF54123 01:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

I did check the code enough to be assured that it is legitimate. I made the code using Gieger's debug version of SNES9x. I'll look into Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World and see what I can find. I also undid your revision before I knew you were an administrator, sorry. Just letting you know I didn't do it purposely. Nensondubois 01:59, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

No, that code IS a glitch. I just watched the menu code execute after setting $7E078E to 04. The jump table for the pause menu only contains three addresses; everything after that is 65816 code. Specifically:

$14DB02: AD 8F (07 D0) 05 .. ..

Setting the index to 04 causes the game to read and interpret the bytes in parentheses as an address of $D007; while technically valid code, it was not intended to be accessed this way. Thus, the code is invalid, and does not belong on the wiki. --BMF54123 02:20, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

I only cared about it being valid code and didn't further check it to the extend that you did so I added it. My mistake. Nensondubois 12:23, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Alright. Just keep in mind that I only remove/change things if, after examining them myself, I am 100% convinced they're invalid. I've been doing this for a long time, I know out-of-bounds pointers when I see them. Just because a game is executing 65816 code without crashing doesn't mean it's supposed to. ;) --BMF54123 13:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. 3 Unused Levels

The unused Ice level from the NES version exist in the Super Mario All-Stars version, and can be accessed by using the PAR code: 7E072700 and following these directions: Go to World 5, using above, switch the code on while the world 5 (Land) map then enter the Level 1. Note: You must switch the code off after you start the level so you do not get stuck on the world 1 map after you die. Here is a picture of the Ice Level. . I don't have time to properly format it into the article, nor make a true level modifier to check for the other unused levels. Nensondubois 16:12, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

Good news: I've found the enemy pointers for all 15 of the unused levels.

Bad news: Because the levels have been modified from the original version, and due to the way the level object pointers are formatted, I haven't found the unused stages' level objects yet. They probably exist though. --GoldS 22:48, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

Well then, I plan on looking for the level pointers in a few days, that is if no one else searches. Nensondubois 23:57, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

Woo! Turns out that the level object pointer wasn't as complicated as I thought. The tough part was figuring out that editing a level object pointer on the world map would only work if the level you're editing has the same tileset (E.X. Changing 1-1 to Unused Level 2. Both use the Plains tileset). So I should get some more of these done soon. --GoldS 07:18, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Mission complete! I now have the level object and enemy pointers for all 15 unused levels. --GoldS 23:36, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

WONGA! Now I don't have to do that. Nensondubois 12:06, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

Unused Graphics

In addition to the unused levels still existing, some of the unused *graphics* appear to remain as well. For example, I was able to locate the wheel/drills via vSNES... Not *everything* seems to be there; the extra minigame graphics are gone, as are many of the extra map graphics (such as that weird castle), but the side/back view map sprites for Mario still exist... No Doki Doki Panic leftovers or our iconic little smiley face seem to remain in SMB2's graphics, either, sadly. I'll keep poking around. -YK 02:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

I'm still wondering what the hell the wheel is supposed to be for in the first place. I've never been able to think of a place where it would fit in. -- Rick 02:35, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

My guess would probably be the two tank stages in World 8. At least, that's the *only* spot I can think of where they wouldn't be grossly out of place... -YK 02:36, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

According to the article, the wheel and spikes "weren't updated"... but I beg to differ. I can see quite a change, myself...

SMB3 NES	SMB3 SNES

The latter definitely looks slightly more up-to-date; the coloring and shading are considerably more advanced. -YK 02:38, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Neat! I'll rip those, then. Thanks. --GoldS 02:49, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

Another find: It appears I was wrong about the minigame graphics having been cut. No sign of the koopa or hammer bros., but I found what is very clearly the *blocks* from the minigames. They don't appear to have been updated, though. -YK 03:36, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

SMB2 Spikes

Are you sure those "unused spikes" aren't the back half of the Hawkmouth miniboss from Wart's Castle? :P --Peardian 13:07, 10 September 2010 (EDT)

I HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED. --GoldS 13:11, 10 September 2010 (EDT)

Super Mario Bros. 2 - Unused Music

That jingle for Super Mario Bros. 2 is completely unused in Super Mario All-Stars as stated, but it does eventually find a home in Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 as the Spade(/Heart/Club) House victory jingle. I'm not sure if it's used before then in any of the other Game Boy Advance remakes, though. I'm also not sure if it's worth mentioning on the main article here, which is why I mention it here! ~ Doc Lithius (Info|Chat|Edits) 22:44, 15 November 2011 (EST)

Unused Spade Game Behavior - Used in BS Super Mario Collection?

Take a look at this: http://superfamicom.org/blog/2008/05/wheres-the-rest-of-this-niconicodouga-bs-super-mario-collection-1/

BS Super Mario Collection was basically a companion to BS Super Mario USA and evidently were Satellaview ports of the other games (the only known ones were SMB1 for Episode 1 and SMB3 for Episode 3 - I can only assume TLL was 2 and perhaps World was 4). Episode 1 is pretty unique in that it is the All-Stars SMB1 with an overworld and mini-games. One of the mini-games is the slot machine returning from SMB3 after rescuing Toad, but this time that counter that was missing for so long appears to be in use (it's 17:23 - 19:23 in the video). Unfortunately, BS Super Mario Collection is pretty elusive and apparently only the third episode is floating around in emulated form so I don't know the extent of the unused counter, whether there be some way to change the value or if it was merely done via timer. LinkTheLefty 23:23, 23 February 2012 (EST)

Update: It is in the third episode and it seemed to last as long as the timer, so maybe the variable was nonexistent or lasts longer than the timed game. The game is also only playable in SNESGT and possibly bsnes-x2. LinkTheLefty 14:48, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

Unused Sprites

These are a bunch of unused sprites that are not featured on the article, as well as some that are, these are the correct color.

--Mariofan5000 14:59, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

Which ones are unused? Mario Weaboo 11:16, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

The vast majority of those are Super Mario Bros. 2 player sprites. In fact, very few things here are actually unused or undocumented. Have you actually played SMB2? --BMF54123 13:54, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

Yes, I have, and the used sprites have a 3rd walking pose, a few different ones and completely different small character tiles. And to answer the question, none of these are used. --Mariofan5000 18:21, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

I did a quick comparison between sprite sheets (http://www.spriters-resource.com/snes/supermariobros2/) of the sprites used in-game and the ones you've shown, and there are some differences in the small sprites. Small Luigi's head is way bigger in the sheet you've posted, while small Mario's head is drawn differently in your sheet. Teflon 18:34, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

Those SMB2 player sprites are only just reshaded from the NES version. The used ones, have been edited to add extra sprites, or to fix colours or details (or in Peach's case, completely re-drawn.) And the 2 is used in the Japanese version for their "Super Mario Bros. 2: For Super Players" title screen. Also, that green vine is used in SMB1. The Tomato, Slot Machine graphics, Japanese text, and NES styled SMB tiles are already on the page. The rest seems to be unused and NOT on the page.Geno2925 19:33, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

The green vine in the sheet is from the tilesets, the used ones are sprites. --Mariofan5000 16:15, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

This is a bit of a tangent, but the hill tiles caught my eye. Never before had I realized what the triangle pattern on the hills and ground in the original NES version were supposed to be, and now it makes so much sense. As great as All-Stars looked, it really obscured a lot of the stage-prop visuals. --Peardian 19:46, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

I'm just mentioning it, but I find those 2up, 3up, & 5up bonuses, as well as that target, and the diamond patterned block interesting because THEY WEREN'T IN THE ORIGINAL GAMES! Strange, isn't it?Geno2925 22:57, 3 July 2013 (EDT)

Actually, the target is also in the NES version as an unused enemy, the diamond patterned block was found among background tiles, so it might be used somewhere, and some of the unused SMB2 tiles are leftovers from the NES version, some were also unused there.

EDIT:Which diamond patterned block are you talking about, the one to the right of the map screen stuff or the other one? --Mariofan5000 14:59, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

I am talking about the one underneath those SMB1 tiles. Actually, now that I think about it, that diamond "block" might just be the border used when someone wins at the Battle Mode game.Geno2925 15:16, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

I found it among the SMB2 Wart Background stuff, so no. --Mariofan5000 16:13, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Mind you, in the ROM, the used SMB2 player graphics are in the middle of the SMB3 section. But I checked, and those diamonds are NOT in the Battle Mode background. And during that little search through the graphics, I found something new in the SMB2 section.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5237238/SMAS-SMB2-UnusedFireball.png

It's the fireball from the NES SMB2!Geno2925 12:27, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Oops!!! I guess I was in such a hurry-scurry that forgot to rip that one. I'll update it right away.

EDIT: Done. --Mariofan5000 13:10, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

These should really be on the article! They're really interesting and show that the SMAS was originally going to be much closer th the original NES games!
Edit: The diamond pattern tiles ARE used in the Wart castle background, at least in Super Mario Advance! --Anton Cool Guy (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2016 (EST)

"In the Dark" Chatter

The following was added to the regional differences section regarding the difference in background chatter on the title screen:

The "in the dark" chatter is also different between the Japanese and international versions because strict alcohol restriction of NOA issued someone saying "... One more beer please?" in the early audio, which was featured on Japanese release(Source: Japanese Nintendo Official Strategy Guidebook)

Can someone confirm this? It kinda sounds like BS to me, so I removed it for the time being. --BMF54123 (talk) 04:57, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Whether or not it's true, I can imagine why it was changed. The Japanese one sounds like some voice clips looped, while the international one seems to be a recording of an actual crowd/audience. --Peardian (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

I'm the editor who wrote the sentense. Let me defend the information. The source is the page 253 of "スーパーマリオコレクション 新装復刻版 任天堂公式ガイドブック" (Nintendo Official Guidebook of the Super Mario All-Stars, reprint) from Shogakukan. The book was faithful reproduction of the guidebook released when the original SMAS released in Japan. According to the guide, "ある日、スーパーマリオコレクションのテストバージョンがあがったそうです。オープニングタイトルには、英語でみんなしゃべっている、がやがやというパーティの効果音を入れていました。で、そのテストバージョンをアメリカ任天堂に送りました。ここまで完成しています、ということで。しばらくするとアメリカより連絡が入りました。「オープニングタイトルのところのパーティの情景効果音なんですが、よーく聞くと、ビールおかわりと言っているのが聞こえます。ビールおかわりは、まずいんではないでしょうか」ネイティブスピーカーは流石ですね(?)アメリカ版は変更しました。日本版はそのままです。よし、聞いてみるか。" Brief English summary would be like this: "One day, Nintendo sent NOA a test version of Super Mario All-Stars. Some days later, NOA proposed Nintendo not to use the Chatter sound effect because they hear the sentense 'One more beer please?' in it. So Nintendo chenged the SE of the american version but Japan version uses THE noise." it may sound nonsense but according to Nintendo it's "true". As a proof, you can hear the word ONLY on the Japanese version. Sorry for crappy translation. And yes, I'm Japanese. --Noel Holiday (talk) 07:33, 5 November 2015 (EST)

I've re-added the beer part in the article with better English, if anyone is interested. Now I only need to add the source! --Anton Cool Guy (talk) 08:32, 30 November 2016 (EST)

Unused level 8 green water graphics

I took a look at the unused level 8 map found in SMB3 SMAS Unused Levels subpage and watcheda video about said level, and I just noticed that the graphics that are said to be water tiles with incorrect palette is in fact a different tile than the blue water found in the game. It may be still in a incorrect palette, but the graphic is totally different. Compare both:

I checked every frames from the blue water and they are not like the green water. If possible, can somebody take pics from this water sprite in the unused level 8 and list them along with the unused sprites? --— The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperArthurBros (talk • contribs)

Those look like the "mud" graphics used in the battleship level in World 8. I can't really check for myself right now, though. --BMF54123 (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2015 (EDT)

While those definitely look like the NES version's "mud" graphics, the SNES version has completely new and larger graphics for the mud.These water graphics seem to be completely unused.-Geno2925 (talk) 13:31, 28 June 2015 (EDT)

Are these tiles unused?

While scrolling through SMB3's graphics, I found some that from what I checked, are unused. These are some yet left to add to the page, but I would like to confirm whether they are used or not. This wood-like thing appears to be fully unused (Palette is wrong).— The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperArthurBros (talk • contribs)

SMB1/Lost Levels Brick Physics

Apparently the wonky brick-breaking behavior in SMB1 and The Lost Levels is, in fact, a bug that was never fixed. According to this hack: http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/167/ by BMF54123, its a simple case of accidently reversed Y velocity. Perhaps this should be documented? --Atendega (talk) 09:38, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Sounds like a good fit for the Notes page. --Peacock Roy (talk) 11:33, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

Since there is no information about what is specifically changed, instead taking the form of an IPS patch, I figured it would fit better somewhat like this. --Atendega (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

The actual mechanics behind the issue were discovered a while ago (the Y-reverse thing isn't right). Something to do with the block getting replaced immediately instead of a one-frame queue/delay. -- Xkeeper (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I knew that it was discovered to be a bug a while ago, but I was unaware that the Y-reverse was incorrect. Does this mean the IPS patch is inaccurate? If so, is there an accurate bugfix patch? --Atendega (talk) 08:11, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

UPDATE -- according to this source [1] the specific VRAM buffer flag that was present in the original NES release (was RAM address $0301) has disappeared entirely in the SMAS remake, so the VRAM buffer check in the "UpdateLoop" routine is not present and is apparently why the brick-breaking behavior became the way it was in SMAS. WikiPro1981X (talk) 04:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

SMB2 Suicide Code

Is it really necessary to mention it? The code is given in the game's manual, and I do remember a "brightness setting" code mentioned in the Sonic Advance 3 being removed from it's page for the same reason.-Geno2925 (talk) 08:56, 14 February 2016 (EST)

NES Unused Games

Are the unused games from the original version still in the ROM, or have the been taken out to make room for the other games?

SMBUSA POW Block

So I was playing Super Mario USA the other day. I noticed that the POW block you pick up in your hands is actually the same one we documented here as unused. The one where the O is positioned incorrectly on one of the frames. Should we update the page with new info that says it's used? Because although it's used, it's really hard to spot unless you're outright looking for it... --SoulBlayzR-- (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Good catch. I removed it now. ReyVGM (talk) 21:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

PAL vs NTSC Slight Changes for SMB1 vs. Original 1990 NES PAL Re-Release

Just as on the Super Mario Bros. TCRF page, there should be a "Regional Differences" sub-section here, too. [2]

While the European version of SMAS (and SMAS+SMW) retains most of the changes specific to SMB1 from the 1990 NES PAL re-release (as are described in the link just above), in the EU SMAS some of these optimizations have been re-tweaked. Most of these optimizations also apply to SMB: The Lost Levels (Japan's SMB2) within the EU releases of SMAS and SMAS+SMW.

For example, the "FallMForceData" that controls how Mario is falling from a jump. Originally, in the 1990 NES re-release, this changed data [3] was:

FallMForceData:
      .db $a8, $a8, $90, $d0, $d0, $0a, $09

And in the EU SMAS, it became:

FallMForceData:
      .db $a6, $a6, $8e, $ce, $ce, $0a, $09

I tried this data when tweaking the original NES release, and it would appear that in the EU SMAS, Mario is less slippery after a jump than in the 1990 NES PAL re-release.

WikiPro1981X (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)